Almost like some picture had been there and this posted over or just strange, almost satanic looking things. Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. Im sure that when they left on that short hike that their intention was to be back home before dark and to be back to the host home for supper on time. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? Here is the comparison: Also the severity of the situation would dictate the time to the first SOS call. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. Theycalled 112, the emergency number for the Netherlands, as well as Panama's emergency number, 911. I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. Is it a reasonable number? I know AMAZING explanition it is sad they are dead but my friend said they might be faking and Lisanne froon and kris kremer ate people to fake their bones but I think my friend is wrong. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? Or is it all part of a cover-up? The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . Agreed the thing on the tree trunk looks man made but even if it is it is not sinister. Im very impressed. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. We have no final police report only a lot of leaked info much second hand and multiple hand. Is this in dispute? So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. I speculate about potential reasons. I hope you understand my english, im not a native speaker. Those two women were wearing very little clothing to be entering bush/jungle, there is no way that theyd easily make their way through vegetation, and, as they were clearly intelligent, why would they voluntarily just walk into dense bush? Many cold cases have been solved years later. Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. 3. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. To the creator of this photo analysis Thank You, excellent work. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. However, the tone of the pictures began to change. Thanks, John. I have no idea. I also think that we are looking at man-made roof structure, but its not the last photo, right? Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. I often keep reading things online hoping that they solved the case, but unfortunately it doesnt look like they really have. All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. The Taxi driver was found dead later so no idea how much of this could be confirmed. We can only speculate without more evidence of that. Does blue have something to do with this strange punishment ritual? I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. After days reviewing the evidence, Im now going to share a synopsis of what I believe happened there in the deep, dark cloud forest of Panama. Her phone is dead. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. The Canon Powershot SX270 HS, has two methods of numbering images. Your email address will not be published. As the search was starting to wind up, a local woman handed in a blue backpack, claiming she found it in a rice paddy along the banks of the river. Solvable: yes; but with each year that goes by less likely. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. Especially the beams and details, and the cave behind her. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. But the blue was also something I noticed. I agree. Hi Chris, Very interested in your website! She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. This is speculation. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. I get why people really hard want to believe theres something more to it, but hiking a lot (in very well known areas) you can go lost SO easily. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. They are free now. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. At first glance I just thought she was looking for something. The ambulatory friend began to assess how she might reach her friend, but underestimated the difficulty involved, thereby becoming less able to extricate herself from the jungle. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. Yup, I toot checked and her video came only after this post. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? My first thought and instincts on the object you believe to be circular on the left is a cow skull and the fact its there is very strange indeed. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. This could be a very handy skill to our team. September 1, 2022. I would like to know the answer to that question also. Eight tourists from Moscow who. ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? Do you think this could be at all relevant? The main areas of tourism in the country focus on business tourism, beaches, health and trade. Interesting that you. Nothing. Aside from the various graffiti markings, the one thing that looks potentially creepy is the circular, hanging object. The pictures taken were used to place Kris in pictures on the Mirador with Lisanne. May the case stay alive and well. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Over the years, dozens of tourists like Agarwal, many of them foreign nationals, have gone missing while visiting the Parvati Valley in the state of Himachal Pradesh. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? However, if Continuous mode was in use then even if 509 was deleted, the next image will be 510. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. Yessss!! Even though both kept contact with their families daily through messaging and calls? If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? This girl was tortured before they killed her. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. Im not understanding why they bothered to create a cover story. I am from Panama, and I know that there are way more dangerous drug and crime cartels active in remote parts of the country than officials want to admit to because the tourism would be affected. What I DO see is a very definite path. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. More probable is that the picture was deleted. He even found pictures of the suspect and a local model wearing Kriss blue shirt right after the disappearance. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. January 4, 2023. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. Its possible theres a painted insignia on the post to right of Kris. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls deaths were an accident. 100 calls to 911, and NOT ONE attempted call to immediate family? Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. Yes! She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. So many clues in all these pictures. Have you managed to obtain a copy? I dont know if this photo is before or after a photo where Kris appears to have mud on her legs and on her arm. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. Therefore, if Kris Kremers is normal and happy, as she appears to be in this photo (and in the other photos in the series), it means that things took a bad turn for them relatively soon after the photo above was taken. I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? Thanks for the observation. Im curious about your experience living abroad. Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. I have spent a lifetime walking in the forest near my home and I dont see the odd things that people see. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. Maybe a struggle or fall? The lower orange being around the belly area. So if you look behind her bottom theres a patch of light which is the light at the other end of this tunnel and shes holding her right hand up to her face to sweep back a piece of hair. Thank you, Sue. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. Any comments that are disrespectful or inconsiderate to the families of Kris and Lisanne will be removed by a moderator. They were obviously following a trail, and most trails are made by humans, so human presence would be expected, I think. Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. I have created a comparison of the original photo leaked to the public, the artificially upsampled version thereof and the (presumed) full resolution picture taken from the article linked to in my previous post (all cropped to show only Kris and further 2 magnified). Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. And look at it from this point of view. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? Think about it. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. Yes, exactly. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. No accident. Why? The emergency calls still dont go through. if both then was the other found in their room? They were friends from college, and were roommates then, so Lisanne had to have known Kris password as her best friend. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. when are you putting a research team together?? Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). This is something I will surely investigate more and write about in the future. Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. , I could be wrong but scanning through the comments didnt see some of these things being discussed, & thought Id put my 2 sense in! Same goes for the hair photo, that people think might be a portion of a previous shot. after studying the original photo, she is actually posing sticking her tongue out, in a slight hunched over salute, the light is hitting her hand, her pose and demeanor makes me believe it is Lisanne taking the photo. The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. The fact that one of the 112 called connected for 2 seconds and they did not redial it immediately, is also well dodgy. CARACAS, Venezuela -- Few Venezuela ns have not had their lives touched by migration over the last decade, when more than 7 million people left the country amid a political . She makes a last effort to wake her friend. Haha. The main/central support bar (branch?) Do mobile phones store the number entered? Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Hi, there sounds plausible but there is something about this case when I start to find some closure that it was an accident OR indeed foul play, I get new evidence from the internet debunking the conclusion I arrived at. 1. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. Latin America has tens of thousands of small communities, all of which operate slightly differently to some degree. Much information is second hand. Everything suggests they had no clue what they were doing when they took the taxi to the start of the trail. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. The green rock directly in front of Kris appears to float in space. The girls phone records later showed that they started making their initial distress calls on their cell phones approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes after their last known daytime photo (Photo 508). Also, the parents did not release all the images. I could go on and on. The finding of the backpack 14 miles away is too incredulous to be believed. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. The consumption of Ayahuasca as a religious experimental drug is becoming very common in different countries. Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html This person was a local cleric. https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. Incredible work and interest- level regarding the fate of these human spirits. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. Why did he leave them? Once you see it, you cannot unsee see it. Only returning them in hopes of getting the reward. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. I think its equally powerful just to disprove the official theory. That would account for a canopy structure being built there. Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. If the dog went with them, its likely that the girls would have taken a photo of the dog, even if the dog was in a photo accidentally. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. If someone died, you would certainly write, Body can be found at xyz.. Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. In truth, the fact that theres no evidence that the dog was with them leads a person to believe that perhaps someone could have fabricated the fact that the dog was with them. OmgIm staring at this pic. She is clearly shielding her eyes from the sun by holding her right arm up. Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. Jumping to conclusions too early, or on the basis of too little and incorrect information is likely to lead to the wrong conclusions. Why are both her hands behind her back? The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. Kris is sticking her tongue out in this photo. Cave photo: I wanted to share this article from a big newspaper in Panama. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. . And more to the right of the insignia, is that water, an underground river maybe, there is like a light at the end. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? Her hands are *not* tied behind her back. Some suggest that they could they have seen something that they didnt want the rest of the world to see. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? I think murder is quite likely. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? My opinion is that the girls met with foul play and were murdered. Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. We simply dont have enough information at this time. But because of their theatrics and ignoring the evidence, the story and curiosity will continue to keep this case alive. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. Sorry Chris, having re-read what you said at the beginning of your article and having stared at the photo a for a bit longer, I can definitely see the corner of a kind of pitched, thatched roof of a what looks like a man-made hut. Kris has somewhat prominent cheeks and a full lower lip. Hi Chris, to me the place Kris is in looks really spooky, but I also think it looks like the entrance to a cave. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. I think your initial analysis of the photo is spot on. Thank you so much for walking the walk. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. Most people in Panama dont have the expertise, nor equipment to handle these sophisticated tasks. Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. The local jungle tribes people have been looking for the girls. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. In this case, I dont believe it was incompetence alone. This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. It would also be useful to know if the metatarsal bones of Lisannes foot had showed any signs of healing. All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. Wow. I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. Daytime would be sweaty but what about at night when the temperature would be down in the 50-60s? Seems like no one has taken off in the direction of the dog and what it could have offered us. For a time, manysuspected Froon and Kremers never got lost on the mountain, but wereinstead victims of a crime in town; this later proved false. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. I think investigation isnt the correct word. Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. I cant explain the calls or photos or intact skin that was found. The arbitrary pictures looked focused as if steady hands took the shots, suggesting they were intentional.
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